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Re: The Dictionary Part II
« Reply #120 on: June 29, 2011, 11:58:51 am »
personally, I'm trying very hard to think how to use srane and kehe (yes and no, at least) as an adverb...

I walked yes up to the store.

the hunter was yes hunting.

it seems wacky.

the neighbor look at me no.

the bomb no exploded.

I cant seem to do it. Other than putting yes and no at the beginning, which maybe makes a sentence adverbial which either confirms or refutes the validity of the content of the sentence?

EDIT: as far as I've seen, that's the way it works in na'vi too.

You will run to the store, yes?

Lì’fyari leNa’vi ’Rrtamì, vay set ’almong a fra’u zera’u ta ngrrpongu
Na'vi Dictionary: http://eanaeltu.learnnavi.org/dicts/NaviDictionary.pdf

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Re: The Dictionary Part II
« Reply #121 on: June 29, 2011, 12:01:10 pm »
Even though "yes" and "no" can be put next to a sentence: "No I didn't", "Yes you did" - I've always thought it was silly to call them adverbs, because they really stand on their own rather than being part of a verb-phrase (otherwise you'd be able to use them in relative clauses, like any real adverb: *"the person who yes did it"?)

I suppose I would consider them "pro-sentences". Like a pronoun is a short replacement for a noun phrase, "yes" and "no" are short replacements for entire sentences. And like pronouns are occasionally apposed with their referents (example: "We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, ...") "yes" and "no" can be apposed with the sentences they reference if more emphasis or clarity is wanted.
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Ma evi, ke'u ke lu prrte' to fwa sim tuteot ayawne.
Slä txo tuteo fmi 'ivampi ngat ro seng, fu nìfya'o, a 'eykefu ngati vä', tsakem ke lu sìltsan.
Tsaw lu ngeyä tokx! Kawtu ke tsun nìmuiä 'ivampi ngat txo ngal ke new tsakemit.
Ha kempe si nga? Nì'awve, nga plltxe san kehe. Tsakrr, ngal tsatsengti hum!

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Re: The Dictionary Part II
« Reply #122 on: June 29, 2011, 02:58:29 pm »
I saw that the WotD is Srane. and it says it's an adverb??

same with Kehe. Are these really adverbs, or just intj. (srane is marked as both, kehe is apparently just an adv and not an intj. )???
In Czech dictionary we have both of them marked as particle... interesting, maybe some changes occured during the time?
Oe lu skxawng skxakep. Slä oe nerume mi.
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Re: The Dictionary Part II
« Reply #123 on: June 30, 2011, 12:00:36 am »
I believe they are just interjections.  I can't see srane and kehe being adverbial at all, nor any other part of speech for that matter.  The same is true for a lot of natural languages if I'm not mistaken.  You probably got the impression that "yes" or "no" was adverbial because of English's weird and wonky ways...

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Re: The Dictionary Part II
« Reply #124 on: June 30, 2011, 12:23:59 am »
Even though "yes" and "no" can be put next to a sentence: "No I didn't", "Yes you did" - I've always thought it was silly to call them adverbs, because they really stand on their own rather than being part of a verb-phrase (otherwise you'd be able to use them in relative clauses, like any real adverb: *"the person who yes did it"?)

I suppose I would consider them "pro-sentences". Like a pronoun is a short replacement for a noun phrase, "yes" and "no" are short replacements for entire sentences. And like pronouns are occasionally apposed with their referents (example: "We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, ...") "yes" and "no" can be apposed with the sentences they reference if more emphasis or clarity is wanted.

Shouldn't all of those uses have commas following, if one were being quite proper, thus making them into their own clauses?

"No, I didn't." or "Yes, I did" or even "We, the people...etc."

Call me crazy, but that's how it seems to me (which means yes, I have no idea how they could be adverbs ;) )

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Re: The Dictionary Part II
« Reply #125 on: June 30, 2011, 06:37:29 pm »
Since kehe and srane are difficult to classify, how about we just mark them as particles and then just sort of wander off and hope nobody notices... :)

Lì’fyari leNa’vi ’Rrtamì, vay set ’almong a fra’u zera’u ta ngrrpongu
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Re: The Dictionary Part II
« Reply #126 on: June 30, 2011, 06:40:56 pm »
Since kehe and srane are difficult to classify, how about we just mark them as particles and then just sort of wander off and hope nobody notices... :)

wotd today for Kehe has been edited for intj. I see...

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Re: The Dictionary Part II
« Reply #127 on: July 01, 2011, 12:07:51 am »
Since kehe and srane are difficult to classify, how about we just mark them as particles and then just sort of wander off and hope nobody notices... :)

wotd today for Kehe has been edited for intj. I see...

...and yet in the dictionary it is marked as an adv. :P

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I believe they are just interjections.  I can't see srane and kehe being adverbial at all, nor any other part of speech for that matter.  The same is true for a lot of natural languages if I'm not mistaken.  You probably got the impression that "yes" or "no" was adverbial because of English's weird and wonky ways..

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Re: The Dictionary Part II
« Reply #128 on: July 01, 2011, 12:38:20 am »
...and yet in the dictionary it is marked as an adv. :P
Indeed. adv. intj. actually. Interesting.
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Re: The Dictionary Part II
« Reply #129 on: July 01, 2011, 01:30:42 am »
Since kehe and srane are difficult to classify, how about we just mark them as particles and then just sort of wander off and hope nobody notices... :)
Well, situation is not clear at all. What Wikipedia says?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammatical_particle
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/no
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/yes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yes_and_no
Seems that we can select from more options, the last link is quite interesting:
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The words yes and no are not easily classified into any of the eight conventional parts of speech. Although sometimes classified as interjections, they do not qualify as such, nor are they adverbs. They are sometimes classified as a part of speech in their own right, sentence words, word sentences, or pro-sentences, although that category contains more than yes and no and not all linguists include them in their lists of sentence words. Sentences consisting solely of one of these two words are classified as minor sentences.
So, who can judge that? I think we must do some kind of agreement (in Czech yes/no is categorized as particle)
Oe lu skxawng skxakep. Slä oe nerume mi.
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Re: The Dictionary Part II
« Reply #130 on: July 01, 2011, 01:37:27 am »
So, who can judge that? I think we must do some kind of agreement (in Czech yes/no is categorized as particle)

The Dutch wikipedia site also refers to yes and no as particles.
Krr a lì'fya lam sraw, may' frivìp utralit.

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Re: The Dictionary Part II
« Reply #131 on: July 01, 2011, 01:47:49 am »
So srane and kehe should probably be marked as part., intj., kefyak?

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Re: The Dictionary Part II
« Reply #132 on: July 01, 2011, 02:02:08 am »
So srane and kehe should probably be marked as part., intj., kefyak?


Srane, I'd fpìl so.
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Re: The Dictionary Part II
« Reply #133 on: July 01, 2011, 02:18:18 am »
So srane and kehe should probably be marked as part., intj., kefyak?
Srane, kxawm the best solution we can do.
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Re: The Dictionary Part II
« Reply #134 on: July 01, 2011, 08:45:21 am »
Does the congregation unanimously agree on part.,intj.?

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Re: The Dictionary Part II
« Reply #135 on: July 01, 2011, 08:59:00 am »
Does the congregation unanimously agree on part.,intj.?

Unanimity on the internet?  What an idea!  :)

For what it's worth, I agree on this.
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Re: The Dictionary Part II
« Reply #136 on: July 01, 2011, 11:52:59 am »
Does the congregation unanimously agree on part.,intj.?

Unanimity on the internet?  What an idea!  :)

For what it's worth, I agree on this.
Yup.
Krr a lì'fya lam sraw, may' frivìp utralit.

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Re: The Dictionary Part II
« Reply #137 on: July 01, 2011, 02:15:04 pm »
Does the congregation unanimously agree on part.,intj.?
Sounds good.
Ma evi, ke'u ke lu prrte' to fwa sim tuteot ayawne.
Slä txo tuteo fmi 'ivampi ngat ro seng, fu nìfya'o, a 'eykefu ngati vä', tsakem ke lu sìltsan.
Tsaw lu ngeyä tokx! Kawtu ke tsun nìmuiä 'ivampi ngat txo ngal ke new tsakemit.
Ha kempe si nga? Nì'awve, nga plltxe san kehe. Tsakrr, ngal tsatsengti hum!

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Re: The Dictionary Part II
« Reply #138 on: July 01, 2011, 11:55:03 pm »
Edited srane, sran and kehe to be part., intj. New revision is 12.24.

Lì’fyari leNa’vi ’Rrtamì, vay set ’almong a fra’u zera’u ta ngrrpongu
Na'vi Dictionary: http://eanaeltu.learnnavi.org/dicts/NaviDictionary.pdf

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Re: The Dictionary Part II
« Reply #139 on: July 02, 2011, 12:41:58 am »
Edited srane, sran and kehe to be part., intj. New revision is 12.24.
Dutch version updated as well.
Krr a lì'fya lam sraw, may' frivìp utralit.

Ngopyu ayvurä.

 

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