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Re: The Dictionary Part II
« Reply #160 on: July 11, 2011, 10:35:43 am »
Will change if Markì doeant beat me to it. Im on my way to the ocean for a week but theres wifi at the house.

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Re: The Dictionary Part II
« Reply #161 on: July 11, 2011, 11:44:22 am »
I have a couple of edits to make today and will fix this. Irayo!


EDIT:
Fkeytok infix marker corrected. Word Fwefwi and phrase "fwäkì ke fwefwi" added. New dictionary version is 12.25.  If somebody can take a look and make sure those look right, I would be most appreciative.

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« Last Edit: July 11, 2011, 02:09:15 pm by Markì »

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Re: The Dictionary Part II
« Reply #162 on: July 11, 2011, 02:39:21 pm »
I got idea from the hell - has dictionary some way marked ditransitive (or how linguists call it) verbs or one must guess it "on fly" when trying to use them?
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Re: The Dictionary Part II
« Reply #163 on: July 11, 2011, 03:42:01 pm »
I'll just post here now so I can see when are the updates made ;)

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Re: The Dictionary Part II
« Reply #164 on: July 11, 2011, 04:14:24 pm »
I got idea from the hell - has dictionary some way marked ditransitive (or how linguists call it) verbs or one must guess it "on fly" when trying to use them?

no, there is no current convention for ditransitives. (that is, if you refer to verbs which take BOTH a direct and inderect object.)

Here are some examples
tìng (most obvious)
kar (most apparently NOT obvious)
wìntxu

Yeah, you pretty much have to guess at this point.

most people mistake verbs which are ditransitive as simply transitive and mix indirect and direct objects when omitting the direct object. kar, assuming it is ditransitive(which would make sense to me) is most often misused, as far as I've seen. people use

oel poti kar

instead of

oel poru kar txeleti

I assume situations like this are what led you to ask. I'd like to come up with a convention for marking that...but there certainly must be a limit of things which get marked otherwise each def has like 50 symbols marking alll kinds of things over time.

for verbs, we are now up to transitivity and modality.

I think that it might not hurt to make a new convention for ditransitives. What should we make it?

perhaps,

vdtr

?

EDIT: Markì, changes look great, thanks. *makes note to update rhymedict and vCLI dictionaries*
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Re: The Dictionary Part II
« Reply #165 on: July 11, 2011, 04:21:48 pm »
I got idea from the hell - has dictionary some way marked ditransitive (or how linguists call it) verbs or one must guess it "on fly" when trying to use them?
no, there is no current convention for ditransitives. (that is, if you refer to verbs which take BOTH a direct and inderect object.)
Seems I used incorrect term. What I'm thinking about are verbs which can be used both transitively and intrasitively.

Like: Oel yerikit taron. vs Oe taron.
Oe lu skxawng skxakep. Slä oe nerume mi.
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Re: The Dictionary Part II
« Reply #166 on: July 11, 2011, 10:25:26 pm »
Paul created the vocabulary item ’etnaw, ‘shoulder’ (dual metnaw) for the Education department there many months ago, but there had been no ‘public release’ via his blog, etc. until Saturday and his confirmation of the new word in the singular.

This reminds me: we have another word now: 'etnaw for shoulder

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Re: The Dictionary Part II
« Reply #167 on: July 12, 2011, 04:50:08 am »
From the transcription quote it would also seem that somewhere along the way (which I may have missed), the taronyut yom smarìl idiom was canonized.

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Re: The Dictionary Part II
« Reply #168 on: July 12, 2011, 12:07:49 pm »
I got idea from the hell - has dictionary some way marked ditransitive (or how linguists call it) verbs or one must guess it "on fly" when trying to use them?
no, there is no current convention for ditransitives. (that is, if you refer to verbs which take BOTH a direct and inderect object.)
Seems I used incorrect term. What I'm thinking about are verbs which can be used both transitively and intrasitively.

Like: Oel yerikit taron. vs Oe taron.

what makes any transitive verb exempt from this?

From the transcription quote it would also seem that somewhere along the way (which I may have missed), the taronyut yom smarìl idiom was canonized.

added.

Paul created the vocabulary item ’etnaw, ‘shoulder’ (dual metnaw) for the Education department there many months ago, but there had been no ‘public release’ via his blog, etc. until Saturday and his confirmation of the new word in the singular.

This reminds me: we have another word now: 'etnaw for shoulder



added.

Does everything look okay?

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Re: The Dictionary Part II
« Reply #169 on: July 12, 2011, 12:42:02 pm »
I don't see the phrase. Where did you put it?

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Re: The Dictionary Part II
« Reply #170 on: July 12, 2011, 12:43:17 pm »
I don't see the phrase. Where did you put it?

Phrases block.

EDIT: O_O Where'd it go???

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Re: The Dictionary Part II
« Reply #171 on: July 12, 2011, 12:43:49 pm »
Still not seeing it...

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Re: The Dictionary Part II
« Reply #172 on: July 12, 2011, 12:48:01 pm »
How about now?

EDIT:

I SWEAR I JUST NOW SUBMITTED IT AGAIN. WHAT .THE......

whatever. Markì will you do it? it hates me right now.

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Re: The Dictionary Part II
« Reply #173 on: July 12, 2011, 01:08:48 pm »
Lu hasey.

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Re: The Dictionary Part II
« Reply #174 on: July 12, 2011, 01:14:35 pm »

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Re: The Dictionary Part II
« Reply #175 on: July 12, 2011, 01:25:31 pm »
See PM



EDIT: Disregard that. Can't paste an image in a PM.  This is a screen shot of the entry...

« Last Edit: July 12, 2011, 01:30:39 pm by Markì »

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Re: The Dictionary Part II
« Reply #176 on: July 12, 2011, 01:41:53 pm »
I got idea from the hell - has dictionary some way marked ditransitive (or how linguists call it) verbs or one must guess it "on fly" when trying to use them?
no, there is no current convention for ditransitives. (that is, if you refer to verbs which take BOTH a direct and inderect object.)
Seems I used incorrect term. What I'm thinking about are verbs which can be used both transitively and intrasitively.

Like: Oel yerikit taron. vs Oe taron.

what makes any transitive verb exempt from this?
Sorry, I don't understand your question. Anyway I probably found the correct term - ambitransitive verbs(?)
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Re: The Dictionary Part II
« Reply #177 on: July 12, 2011, 01:45:08 pm »
See PM



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butbutbut that's what i DID! oh well...


I got idea from the hell - has dictionary some way marked ditransitive (or how linguists call it) verbs or one must guess it "on fly" when trying to use them?
no, there is no current convention for ditransitives. (that is, if you refer to verbs which take BOTH a direct and inderect object.)
Seems I used incorrect term. What I'm thinking about are verbs which can be used both transitively and intrasitively.

Like: Oel yerikit taron. vs Oe taron.

what makes any transitive verb exempt from this?
Sorry, I don't understand your question. Anyway I probably found the correct term - ambitransitive verbs(?)

I mean what is keeping ALL transitives from being able to be used like that?
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Re: The Dictionary Part II
« Reply #178 on: July 12, 2011, 01:50:02 pm »
This system has a very well defined sense of who it likes and doesn't like.

Oh, and you have to bring it cookies from time to time...

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Re: The Dictionary Part II
« Reply #179 on: July 12, 2011, 01:52:02 pm »
This system has a very well defined sense of who it likes and doesn't like.

Oh, and you have to bring it cookies from time to time...

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