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Re: Official Na'vi Dictionary
« Reply #2360 on: December 12, 2017, 03:33:19 pm »
I manually edited the latex file, here is an updated version that fixed the sort order:
NaviDictionary.fixed.pdf

IRAYO!  :D  Can we get that to write the production PDFs?

The perl scripts generate the .tex files then calls pdflatex to compile them to PDF files.  All I did was copy the .tex file that was generated, modified it by hand, then compiled a new PDF


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Re: Official Na'vi Dictionary
« Reply #2361 on: December 12, 2017, 11:33:28 pm »
I manually edited the latex file, here is an updated version that fixed the sort order:
NaviDictionary.fixed.pdf

IRAYO!  :D  Can we get that to write the production PDFs?

The perl scripts generate the .tex files then calls pdflatex to compile them to PDF files.  All I did was copy the .tex file that was generated, modified it by hand, then compiled a new PDF

Could there be a way to script that in production temporarily?

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Re: Official Na'vi Dictionary
« Reply #2362 on: December 13, 2017, 01:21:19 am »
Could there be a way to script that in production temporarily?

Not really.  I'm moving 2 blocks of text in the tex file via cutting and pasting.  With some crazy regex-fu maybe, but it would likely be more trouble than its worth vs just doing it manually if you know what you're doing. 


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Re: Official Na'vi Dictionary
« Reply #2363 on: December 13, 2017, 01:23:31 am »
Oh. I see. damn. I can't think of a better way either. o.o

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Re: Official Na'vi Dictionary
« Reply #2364 on: December 13, 2017, 10:03:08 am »
I don't have permission to replace the original PDF on the server, if an admin would like to swap the original with the fixed version I created, everything is ready to go, just needs swapped out.


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Re: Official Na'vi Dictionary
« Reply #2365 on: December 13, 2017, 01:32:26 pm »
Also, didn't AW AY EW EY also have their own sections at one point like KX PX TX TS NG?

No they never did. The first I have is from the end of December 2009, a few from 2012 and 2013.

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Re: Official Na'vi Dictionary
« Reply #2366 on: December 13, 2017, 02:43:17 pm »
I don't have permission to replace the original PDF on the server, if an admin would like to swap the original with the fixed version I created, everything is ready to go, just needs swapped out.

I'll take care of it.  Thanks!

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Re: Official Na'vi Dictionary
« Reply #2367 on: December 16, 2017, 03:01:54 pm »
Interesting.

Also, didn't AW AY EW EY also have their own sections at one point like KX PX TX TS NG?
Perhaps, you have seen my PHP script's output that also does not sort AW AY EW and EY, because how to programm that? Plus, how to tell a script to sort actual diphthongs and non-diphthongs?

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Re: Official Na'vi Dictionary
« Reply #2368 on: December 16, 2017, 08:08:24 pm »
Interesting.

Also, didn't AW AY EW EY also have their own sections at one point like KX PX TX TS NG?
Perhaps, you have seen my PHP script's output that also does not sort AW AY EW and EY, because how to programm that? Plus, how to tell a script to sort actual diphthongs and non-diphthongs?

In the new system I've been working on, I have it setup so that you can specify what grapheme an entry should be sorted under, to support that exact use case


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Re: Official Na'vi Dictionary
« Reply #2369 on: December 18, 2017, 06:57:45 pm »
Interesting.

Also, didn't AW AY EW EY also have their own sections at one point like KX PX TX TS NG?
Perhaps, you have seen my PHP script's output that also does not sort AW AY EW and EY, because how to programm that? Plus, how to tell a script to sort actual diphthongs and non-diphthongs?

In the new system I've been working on, I have it setup so that you can specify what grapheme an entry should be sorted under, to support that exact use case

It indeed is probably difficult to tell it how to sort this. Everything will look like diphthong, but some of them won't be.

Basically,

Not every single time that you see AW AY EW EY as sequences of characters does it constitute a diphthong, because of the rule we have that splits diphthongs in half when followed by a vowel:

irayo => i.ra.yo (not i.ray.o)
As for at the beginnig of a word, entirely possible is this:

AW.{C}... which is the nice case to sort this word under the AW header.

But what about

A.W{V}... which is the case where it's just under A

From what I can tell, sorting this is as easy as seeing if what comes after the w or y is a vowel. If it's a vowel, the diphthong gets split so that the W or Y starts the next syllable, causing it to be filed under A or E. If it's a consonant, the diphthong is preserved causing it to stort in AW AY EW or EY.

But is this necessary... How do the mobile apps do it? I feel like I see these sections in the Android app.  (I bet before doing much investigation, the app simply does a "starts with" comparison or a "LIKE" query or something.)

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Re: Official Na'vi Dictionary
« Reply #2370 on: December 21, 2017, 04:57:16 pm »
But is this necessary... How do the mobile apps do it? I feel like I see these sections in the Android app.  (I bet before doing much investigation, the app simply does a "starts with" comparison or a "LIKE" query or something.)

There is an extra column in the data that the mobile apps get that includes the section that an entry falls in.  The logic to split that data out is done before it hits the mobile apps themselves.  With the new system I've been working on, it has a similar feature, where the Grapheme for an entry is recorded.  This was originally to allow for custom headers, where (') would have the IPA symbol for it instead of the grapheme itself. 


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Re: Official Na'vi Dictionary
« Reply #2371 on: December 21, 2017, 05:06:52 pm »
oh. that actually makes a lot of sense.

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Re: Official Na'vi Dictionary
« Reply #2372 on: December 22, 2017, 09:33:32 pm »
Nemrey is missing a space in the partOfSpeech field "adv.,intj." should be "adv., intj."  ID 1914 in EE, data in column "arg3".


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Re: Official Na'vi Dictionary
« Reply #2373 on: December 25, 2017, 08:49:11 pm »
Nemrey is missing a space in the partOfSpeech field "adv.,intj." should be "adv., intj."  ID 1914 in EE, data in column "arg3".

Fixed.

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Re: Official Na'vi Dictionary
« Reply #2374 on: December 27, 2017, 03:25:58 pm »
The dipthongs are considered letters (graphenes??) in Na'vi, just as the ejectives are. They are all represented by digraphs in English. I don't know what causes the ejectives to be digraphs, or even if they are true digraphs. The point I am trying to get at here is, can the ejectives, the dipthongs, and ng/ts be represented by single characters that would properly expand into digraphs (or not in some languages, possibly), and that could be made to sort possibly in a Na'vi style alphabetical sort? Such a mechanism would have use in other languages (High Valyrian, for one) that have multiple translaiterated forms of the same vowel or letter.

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Re: Official Na'vi Dictionary
« Reply #2375 on: January 05, 2018, 06:10:06 am »
New vocab from here

yo’kofya (n., YO’.ko.fya) ‘cycle’

tì’iluke (adj., tì.’I.lu.ke) ‘endless, never-ending’

txanso’hayu (n., txan.SO’.ha.yu) ‘fan, enthusiast’
     = so’yu
     Is it save to include so’hayu here as well? It’s a person who is enthusiastic about something. A txanso’hayu is just a super-enthusiastic person :P

’oktrr (n., ’OK.trr) ‘day of commemoration’

zìsìtsaltrr (n., zì.sìt.SAL.trr) ‘(yearly) anniversary’
     zìtsaltrr (n., zìt.SAL.trr or zì.TSAL.trr) ‘(yearly) anniversary’

tsukx (vtr.) ‘stab’

ripx (vtr.) ‘pierce’

sävll (n., sä.VLL) ‘sign, indication, signal’

tstxolì’ukìngvi (n., tstxo.LÌ.’u.kìng.vi) ‘noun phrase’

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Re: Official Na'vi Dictionary
« Reply #2376 on: January 05, 2018, 02:32:30 pm »
Dictionary updated. New version is 13.62!

EDIT:
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So'hayu would be a normal affix, so not sure it needs an entry. Txanso'hayu is a specific term Paul came up with for 'fan', so it would seem to be productive and he mentions a specific colloquialism for it.  Not sure where 'noun phrase' came from?
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Re: Official Na'vi Dictionary
« Reply #2377 on: January 05, 2018, 03:01:07 pm »
Dictionary updated. New version is 13.62!

EDIT:
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So'hayu would be a normal affix, so not sure it needs an entry. Txanso'hayu is a specific term Paul came up with for 'fan', so it would seem to be productive and he mentions a specific colloquialism for it. 

Understood and reasonable. ;)


Not sure where 'noun phrase' came from?

That comes from the comment section

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Re: Official Na'vi Dictionary
« Reply #2378 on: January 05, 2018, 03:10:20 pm »
There it is!  I'll add it.  (Irayo!)

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Re: Official Na'vi Dictionary
« Reply #2379 on: January 05, 2018, 05:13:09 pm »
If you read the comments section there is something about flags. Maybe a noun-to-be. ;)
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