Official Na'vi Dictionary

Toruk Makto · July 23, 2011, 11:27:53 AM

Next update is out. Version 12.262.

Kamean · July 23, 2011, 02:10:55 PM

Irayo

Tanri · July 23, 2011, 03:07:35 PM

Quote from: Tirea Aean on July 23, 2011, 09:06:25 AM
sì and ulte, people think that each verb has its own clause and use ulte to separate verbs always, but what about when a single subject does two verbs to the same object? I thik that is one clause containing two verbs so I would use sì(clauses separated with blue, lists within clauses identified with red):
[oel {taron }sì{ yom} yerikit.]
but is that possible? I have seen no confirmation on that.
How I see the difference between sì and ulte:
[{Txewì }sì{ Änsìt} tìran ne kelutral] ulte [tsatsenge ((mefol)) run eylanit.]

Technically, sì is a conjunction used between multiple (gramatically identical) constituents, as in "Txewì sì Änsìt", and verb is nothing more and nothing less than a constituent.
Thus, i don't see any reason against this. If there is a need to express multiple actions with the same subject and object, sì between verbs should be correct.

There is another hitch. In "Getting to Know You, Part 3", Karyu Pawl said that "Two verbs back-to-back without a conjunction indicates that they're performed in sequence".
So, if i connect verbs with sì, is this the same thing or the sì connected verbs are performed together (simultaneously, in the same time)?

A notice about mìnyu: If this word is only a name for a plant, with no other reasonable meaning, isn't better to remove it from the main part of the dictionary and leave it only in "Flora and fauna" section?

Tirea Aean · July 24, 2011, 08:45:57 PM

Fresh words.

http://naviteri.org/2011/07/txantsana-ultxa-mi-siatll-great-meeting-in-seattle/

Toruk Makto · July 24, 2011, 08:58:53 PM

Stand by for dictionary update tonight. Will notify when ready...

Tirea Aean · July 24, 2011, 09:12:40 PM

Much thanks.

Toruk Makto · July 24, 2011, 11:36:55 PM

Dictionary updated, new version 12.27.

Tirea Aean, can you check and make sure I did it right?

Thanks!

'Oma Tirea · July 24, 2011, 11:40:03 PM

For koaktu you might also describe that as senior. Also, the usage on hawtsyìp should be noted, as it is quite unusual (it uses the lu-dative construction).

Toruk Makto · July 25, 2011, 12:04:51 AM

Quote from: 'Oma Tirea on July 24, 2011, 11:40:03 PM
For koaktu you might also describe that as senior. Also, the usage on hawtsyìp should be noted, as it is quite unusual (it uses the lu-dative construction).

Well, "senior" is somewhat less definitive than the "old person" that Paul used. The point on use of hawtsyìp is well made. I added that sample to the phrases section. New version 12.271. Irayo!

'Oma Tirea · July 25, 2011, 12:14:19 AM

Quote from: Markì on July 25, 2011, 12:04:51 AM
Well, "senior" is somewhat less definitive than the "old person" that Paul used.

Sure, but what's wrong with multiple descriptions?

Plumps · July 25, 2011, 04:57:05 AM

The original proposal had it glossed as 'elder, older person'. I think there is a reason why he changed it to what it's now.

Edit:
kekem (ke si) is missing (I'm guessing KE.kem judging from the other instances of kawtseng, kawtu etc.)

Also, we have the blessing for ftxozä si as 'to celebrate'

Blue Elf · July 25, 2011, 05:58:50 AM

Quote from: Plumps on July 25, 2011, 04:57:05 AM
The original proposal had it glossed as 'elder, older person'. I think there is a reason why he changed it to what it's now.

Edit:
kekem (ke si) is missing (I'm guessing KE.kem judging from the other instances of kawtseng, kawtu etc.)

Also, we have the blessing for ftxozä si as 'to celebrate'

Well, I thought we have kawkem for "no action", but now kekem appeared. It is replacement or I missed something?

Plumps · July 25, 2011, 06:38:35 AM

Quote from: Blue Elf on July 25, 2011, 05:58:50 AM
Well, I thought we have kawkem for "no action", but now kekem appeared. It is replacement or I missed something?

*kawkem was never official ... it was a suggestion people had made on the model of kawtu and kawtseng

Toruk Makto · July 25, 2011, 01:56:56 PM

ftxozä si and kekem added. Karyu Pawl suggested differentiating kekem and ke'u, so ke'u def tweaked too. New version 12.272.

Tirea Aean · July 26, 2011, 05:59:37 PM

just noticed this:

tirea@ean:~/base$ vrrtepcli -l stop
Vrrtep CLI v1.92 by Tirea Aean. run 'vrrtepcli -h' for usage.

Query matches:
vim. ftang
n. tìftang
vtr. tìftang si

since when can a si verb be transitive?

'Oma Tirea · July 26, 2011, 11:47:23 PM

PeU

A si verb isn't transitive. That just needs a little fix....

Puvomun · July 27, 2011, 01:21:17 AM

Quote from: 'Oma Tirea on July 26, 2011, 11:47:23 PM
PeU

A si verb isn't transitive. That just needs a little fix....

How easy it is to fix a language...

Plumps · July 27, 2011, 02:49:34 AM

I think that came from the notion that you can't say *oel poti ftolang but only oe poru tìftang soli... $:-\$

I also noticed that atxkxerel has the stress on .kxe and .rel

How can that be?

And while we're at it: I'm still dubious about tung being marked as vtr. I cannot find proof for that being stated anywhere—otherwise the LEP wouldn't try to get an example sentence in there for 3 months now

Tirea Aean · July 27, 2011, 08:57:32 AM

so...

TO DO
tìftang si vtr.--> vin.
[at'.ˈk'ɛ.ˈɾɛl] stress change (to which syllable?)
tung vtr. --> v.

Toruk Makto · July 27, 2011, 10:38:10 AM

Quote from: Tirea Aean on July 27, 2011, 08:57:32 AM
so...

TO DO
tìftang si vtr.--> vin.
[at'.ˈk'ɛ.ˈɾɛl] stress change (to which syllable?)
tung vtr. --> v.

Corrected. Used marking from atxkxe as guide. New version: 12.273