Official Na'vi Dictionary

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Wllìm

#2420
I found some errors in the IPA:

       
  • stxenutìng, tompakel, swaynivi, ningyen: use commas instead of dots as syllable boundaries
  • tìreyn: has spurious plus sign in front of the IPA
  • lì'uvi: has a spurious apostrophe
  • fkxara, fkxaranga', txeptun: use a 'smart quote' instead of a normal apostrophe to indicate the ejective
  • tsyänel: doesn't have a stress marker
(Background: I wrote a script to parse the IPA, because I needed stress pattern information for a new project, and it crashed on the words above  :) )
Also:

       
  • tìtxantslusam, kintrram, kintrray: miss syllable boundaries (I found this by accident, it is possible that there are more such instances)
Finally, the IPA for tseng(e), talun(a), taweyk(a), etc. doesn't indicate where the syllable boundary is for tsenge, taluna, taweyka. According to dict-navi it is ta-lun-a and ta-wey-ka, so this is not really predictable. Maybe these entries should be split to indicate this more clearly?

Edit:

  • reypaytun, txeptun: look weird in the dictionary as one quote doesn't show up (seems to be correct in Eana Eltu though, so I don't know what the reason is)

Edit 2:

  • sneyä: is listed as sne-YÄ, but probably should be SNE-yä (also what Dict-Na'vi says)

Toruk Makto

Quote from: Tirea Aean on August 18, 2018, 04:54:22 PM
Quote from: Toruk Makto on August 07, 2018, 03:58:23 PM
I'm banging away at making time to update the dictionary. Stay tuned!   :D

If you don't have time, I do, with your permission ;)

Makto ko!

Lì'fyari leNa'vi 'Rrtamì, vay set 'almong a fra'u zera'u ta ngrrpongu
Na'vi Dictionary: http://files.learnnavi.org/dicts/NaviDictionary.pdf

Tirea Aean

Quote from: Toruk Makto on August 21, 2018, 10:33:48 AM
Quote from: Tirea Aean on August 18, 2018, 04:54:22 PM
Quote from: Toruk Makto on August 07, 2018, 03:58:23 PM
I'm banging away at making time to update the dictionary. Stay tuned!   :D

If you don't have time, I do, with your permission ;)

Makto ko!

Does that mean you're doing it right now? (or is that the permission?)

:ikran:

Toruk Makto

I'm up to my ass in aynantang right now. Please go ahead.

Lì'fyari leNa'vi 'Rrtamì, vay set 'almong a fra'u zera'u ta ngrrpongu
Na'vi Dictionary: http://files.learnnavi.org/dicts/NaviDictionary.pdf

Tirea Aean


Tirea Aean

Quote from: Wllìm on August 19, 2018, 12:36:44 PM
I found some errors in the IPA:

       
  • stxenutìng, tompakel, swaynivi, ningyen: use commas instead of dots as syllable boundaries
  • tìreyn: has spurious plus sign in front of the IPA
  • lì'uvi: has a spurious apostrophe
  • fkxara, fkxaranga', txeptun: use a 'smart quote' instead of a normal apostrophe to indicate the ejective
  • tsyänel: doesn't have a stress marker
(Background: I wrote a script to parse the IPA, because I needed stress pattern information for a new project, and it crashed on the words above  :) )
Also:

       
  • tìtxantslusam, kintrram, kintrray: miss syllable boundaries (I found this by accident, it is possible that there are more such instances)

Edit 2:

  • sneyä: is listed as sne-YÄ, but probably should be SNE-yä (also what Dict-Na'vi says)

All of these are now fixed, except:

QuoteFinally, the IPA for tseng(e), talun(a), taweyk(a), etc. doesn't indicate where the syllable boundary is for tsenge, taluna, taweyka. According to dict-navi it is ta-lun-a and ta-wey-ka, so this is not really predictable. Maybe these entries should be split to indicate this more clearly?

Quote
Edit:

  • reypaytun, txeptun: look weird in the dictionary as one quote doesn't show up (seems to be correct in Eana Eltu though, so I don't know what the reason is)

This is because, apparently, in LaTeX, quotations are done via backtick-quote pairs. For example,

`single-quoted string here'
``double-quoted string here"

the ' and " chars are only end-quote chars and can't come at the beginning. I'm somewhat surprised that it compiled like that. o.o but yeah, fixed.

Quote from: Tirea Aean on August 12, 2018, 03:49:30 PM
I was just about to say:

Quote
Missing

lesar si

From Pawl's Na'viteri comment:
    http://naviteri.org/2012/06/spring-vocabulary-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-1515

lesar si is now in, from 2012

Quote from: Blue Elf on August 03, 2018, 07:50:56 AM
Probably already noticed - new pack of words at Naviteri to add to our dictionary

All new words are in.

New version, 13.8, inbound.

Alyara Arati

Um, guys, has anyone noticed that leym is listed as vim. instead of vin.?  Irayo nìli!
Learn how to see.  Realize that everything connects to everything else.
~ Leonardo da Vinci

Tirea Aean

Quote from: Alyara Arati on August 25, 2018, 03:38:16 PM
Um, guys, has anyone noticed that leym is listed as vim. instead of vin.?  Irayo nìli!

:O 'ä'

I have put in for this fix. However, I'm not going to create a new version again since I just did 13.8. I'll let this accumulate with any other ones to come, and then let Toruk Makto create the next version.


Tirea Aean

#2428
It appears that these are missing:

mo letrrtrr 'living room'

mo a yom 'dining room'

(sno)mo a hahaw 'bedroom'

From:
http://naviteri.org/2012/10/mipa-vospxi-mipa-ayliu-new-words-for-the-new-month/

EDIT: @Toruk Makto, I did not add these in.

Wllìm


Tirea Aean

Found in Fwew today, while writing new feature, "/list <partOfSpeech>" :

QuoteLosÄntsyelesì [los.ˈant͡sJɛ.lɛ.sɪ] pn. Los Angeles

Los Angeles is a proper noun not a pronoun :D

Vawmataw

what is the abbrevation of proper noun?
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Tirea Aean

Quote from: Vawmataw on August 28, 2018, 06:26:57 PM
what is the abbrevation of proper noun?

prop.n. (and in exactly one case, prop. n.)

Tirea Aean

Do we know anything about these yet?


~>> /list pos is v.
[1] 'ong v. unfold, blossom
[2] fkarut v. peel
[3] fpak v. hold off, suspend action
[4] kämakto v. ride out
[5] mun'i v. cut
[6] pawm v. ask
[7] plltxe v. speak
[8] rol v. sing
[9] tireapängkxo v. commune
[10] txey v. halt
[11] virä v. spread, proliferate
[12] 'eyng v. answer, respond
[13] fkxake v. itch
[14] latsi v. keep up with someone
[15] pate v. get to a place, arrive
[16] salew v. proceed, go
[17] spä v. jump
[18] tsä' v. squirt
[19] tuvon v. lean
[20] sweylu v. should

Blue Elf

Quote from: Tirea Aean on August 29, 2018, 09:17:47 AM
Do we know anything about these yet?


~>> /list pos is v.
[1] 'ong v. unfold, blossom
[2] fkarut v. peel
[3] fpak v. hold off, suspend action
[4] kämakto v. ride out
[5] mun'i v. cut
[6] pawm v. ask
[7] plltxe v. speak
[8] rol v. sing
[9] tireapängkxo v. commune
[10] txey v. halt
[11] virä v. spread, proliferate
[12] 'eyng v. answer, respond
[13] fkxake v. itch
[14] latsi v. keep up with someone
[15] pate v. get to a place, arrive
[16] salew v. proceed, go
[17] spä v. jump
[18] tsä' v. squirt
[19] tuvon v. lean
[20] sweylu v. should

Not much so far, but plltxe is both vin. and vtr. (source)
Spä is probably vin, I have no idea how it could be vtr.
Oe lu skxawng skxakep. Slä oe nerume mi.
"Oe tasyätxaw ulte koren za'u oehu" (Limonádový Joe)


Plumps

fpak is intransitive [source]

I assume that rol, tireapängkxo, 'eyng, pate, salew, spä, tuvon and sweylu are intransitive

Vawmataw

#2436
It's really interesting that there is almost no occurrence of 'eyng in the official corpus of Na'vi.

IMO should be intransitive but I have nothing to support it.
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Tirea Aean

Quote from: Vawmataw on August 30, 2018, 06:46:22 PM
It's really interesting that there is almost no occurrence of 'eyng in the official corpus of Na'vi.

IMO should be intransitive but I have nothing to support it.

I think 'eyng could go both ways.

"She answered me"

but I think intransitive is equally likely. Maybe even possibly a new san-sìk verb:

Po 'eyng san ... sìk
He replied, (saying,) "..."

I think it may be worth our time to:

1. update those among the list that we know about in the dictionary
2. send a quick email to KP containing the part of the list we don't know about yet.

I would think that it might be relatively fast for him to decide and declare transitivity on these.

Plumps

Please do!  :)
I'd like to have clarifications of these words almost a decade old.

Vawmataw

QuoteI think 'eyng could go both ways.

"She answered me"
I think me is an indirect object here  :-\
Otherwise it could have easily the same grammatical structure as a sentence with irayo si.
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