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Re: Official Na'vi Dictionary
« Reply #2420 on: August 19, 2018, 12:36:44 pm »
I found some errors in the IPA:
  • stxenutìng, tompakel, swaynivi, ningyen: use commas instead of dots as syllable boundaries
  • tìreyn: has spurious plus sign in front of the IPA
  • lì'uvi: has a spurious apostrophe
  • fkxara, fkxaranga', txeptun: use a ‘smart quote’ instead of a normal apostrophe to indicate the ejective
  • tsyänel: doesn't have a stress marker
(Background: I wrote a script to parse the IPA, because I needed stress pattern information for a new project, and it crashed on the words above  :) )
Also:
  • tìtxantslusam, kintrram, kintrray: miss syllable boundaries (I found this by accident, it is possible that there are more such instances)
Finally, the IPA for tseng(e), talun(a), taweyk(a), etc. doesn't indicate where the syllable boundary is for tsenge, taluna, taweyka. According to dict-navi it is ta-lun-a and ta-wey-ka, so this is not really predictable. Maybe these entries should be split to indicate this more clearly?

Edit:
  • reypaytun, txeptun: look weird in the dictionary as one quote doesn't show up (seems to be correct in Eana Eltu though, so I don't know what the reason is)

Edit 2:
  • sneyä: is listed as sne-YÄ, but probably should be SNE-yä (also what Dict-Na'vi says)
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Re: Official Na'vi Dictionary
« Reply #2421 on: August 21, 2018, 10:33:48 am »
I'm banging away at making time to update the dictionary. Stay tuned!   :D

If you don't have time, I do, with your permission ;)

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Re: Official Na'vi Dictionary
« Reply #2422 on: August 21, 2018, 10:36:04 am »
I'm banging away at making time to update the dictionary. Stay tuned!   :D

If you don't have time, I do, with your permission ;)

Makto ko!

Does that mean you're doing it right now? (or is that the permission?)

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Re: Official Na'vi Dictionary
« Reply #2423 on: August 24, 2018, 02:34:33 am »
I'm up to my ass in aynantang right now. Please go ahead.

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Re: Official Na'vi Dictionary
« Reply #2424 on: August 24, 2018, 08:25:10 am »
I'm up to my ass in aynantang right now. Please go ahead.

On it.

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Re: Official Na'vi Dictionary
« Reply #2425 on: August 24, 2018, 09:58:53 am »
I found some errors in the IPA:
  • stxenutìng, tompakel, swaynivi, ningyen: use commas instead of dots as syllable boundaries
  • tìreyn: has spurious plus sign in front of the IPA
  • lì'uvi: has a spurious apostrophe
  • fkxara, fkxaranga', txeptun: use a ‘smart quote’ instead of a normal apostrophe to indicate the ejective
  • tsyänel: doesn't have a stress marker
(Background: I wrote a script to parse the IPA, because I needed stress pattern information for a new project, and it crashed on the words above  :) )
Also:
  • tìtxantslusam, kintrram, kintrray: miss syllable boundaries (I found this by accident, it is possible that there are more such instances)

Edit 2:
  • sneyä: is listed as sne-YÄ, but probably should be SNE-yä (also what Dict-Na'vi says)

All of these are now fixed, except:

Quote
Finally, the IPA for tseng(e), talun(a), taweyk(a), etc. doesn't indicate where the syllable boundary is for tsenge, taluna, taweyka. According to dict-navi it is ta-lun-a and ta-wey-ka, so this is not really predictable. Maybe these entries should be split to indicate this more clearly?

Quote
Edit:
  • reypaytun, txeptun: look weird in the dictionary as one quote doesn't show up (seems to be correct in Eana Eltu though, so I don't know what the reason is)

This is because, apparently, in LaTeX, quotations are done via backtick-quote pairs. For example,

`single-quoted string here'
``double-quoted string here"

the ' and " chars are only end-quote chars and can't come at the beginning. I'm somewhat surprised that it compiled like that. o.o but yeah, fixed.

I was just about to say:

Quote
Missing

lesar si

From Pawl's Na'viteri comment:
    http://naviteri.org/2012/06/spring-vocabulary-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-1515

lesar si is now in, from 2012

Probably already noticed - new pack of words at Naviteri to add to our dictionary

All new words are in.

New version, 13.8, inbound.

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Re: Official Na'vi Dictionary
« Reply #2426 on: August 25, 2018, 03:38:16 pm »
Um, guys, has anyone noticed that leym is listed as vim. instead of vin.?  Irayo nìli!
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Re: Official Na'vi Dictionary
« Reply #2427 on: August 26, 2018, 12:04:30 am »
Um, guys, has anyone noticed that leym is listed as vim. instead of vin.?  Irayo nìli!

:O 'ä'

I have put in for this fix. However, I'm not going to create a new version again since I just did 13.8. I'll let this accumulate with any other ones to come, and then let Toruk Makto create the next version.


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Re: Official Na'vi Dictionary
« Reply #2428 on: August 26, 2018, 08:42:01 pm »
It appears that these are missing:

mo letrrtrr ‘living room’

mo a yom ‘dining room’

(sno)mo a hahaw ‘bedroom’

From:
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EDIT: @Toruk Makto, I did not add these in.
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Re: Official Na'vi Dictionary
« Reply #2429 on: August 27, 2018, 02:40:37 pm »
All of these are now fixed, except: [...]
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Re: Official Na'vi Dictionary
« Reply #2430 on: August 27, 2018, 11:51:10 pm »
Found in Fwew today, while writing new feature, "/list <partOfSpeech>" :

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LosÄntsyelesì [los.ˈant͡sJɛ.lɛ.sɪ] pn. Los Angeles

Los Angeles is a proper noun not a pronoun :D

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Re: Official Na'vi Dictionary
« Reply #2431 on: August 28, 2018, 06:26:57 pm »
what is the abbrevation of proper noun?
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Re: Official Na'vi Dictionary
« Reply #2432 on: August 28, 2018, 08:47:38 pm »
what is the abbrevation of proper noun?

prop.n. (and in exactly one case, prop. n.)

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Re: Official Na'vi Dictionary
« Reply #2433 on: August 29, 2018, 09:17:47 am »
Do we know anything about these yet?


~>> /list pos is v.
[1] 'ong v. unfold, blossom
[2] fkarut v. peel
[3] fpak v. hold off, suspend action
[4] kämakto v. ride out
[5] mun'i v. cut
[6] pawm v. ask
[7] plltxe v. speak
[8] rol v. sing
[9] tireapängkxo v. commune
[10] txey v. halt
[11] virä v. spread, proliferate
[12] 'eyng v. answer, respond
[13] fkxake v. itch
[14] latsi v. keep up with someone
[15] pate v. get to a place, arrive
[16] salew v. proceed, go
[17] spä v. jump
[18] tsä' v. squirt
[19] tuvon v. lean
[20] sweylu v. should

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Re: Official Na'vi Dictionary
« Reply #2434 on: August 30, 2018, 05:17:46 pm »
Do we know anything about these yet?


~>> /list pos is v.
[1] 'ong v. unfold, blossom
[2] fkarut v. peel
[3] fpak v. hold off, suspend action
[4] kämakto v. ride out
[5] mun'i v. cut
[6] pawm v. ask
[7] plltxe v. speak
[8] rol v. sing
[9] tireapängkxo v. commune
[10] txey v. halt
[11] virä v. spread, proliferate
[12] 'eyng v. answer, respond
[13] fkxake v. itch
[14] latsi v. keep up with someone
[15] pate v. get to a place, arrive
[16] salew v. proceed, go
[17] spä v. jump
[18] tsä' v. squirt
[19] tuvon v. lean
[20] sweylu v. should

Not much so far, but plltxe is both vin. and vtr. (source)
Spä is probably vin, I have no idea how it could be vtr.
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Re: Official Na'vi Dictionary
« Reply #2435 on: August 30, 2018, 06:05:47 pm »
fpak is intransitive [source]

I assume that rol, tireapängkxo, ’eyng, pate, salew, spä, tuvon and sweylu are intransitive

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Re: Official Na'vi Dictionary
« Reply #2436 on: August 30, 2018, 06:46:22 pm »
It's really interesting that there is almost no occurrence of 'eyng in the official corpus of Na'vi.

IMO should be intransitive but I have nothing to support it.
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Re: Official Na'vi Dictionary
« Reply #2437 on: August 31, 2018, 12:32:49 am »
It's really interesting that there is almost no occurrence of 'eyng in the official corpus of Na'vi.

IMO should be intransitive but I have nothing to support it.

I think 'eyng could go both ways.

"She answered me"

but I think intransitive is equally likely. Maybe even possibly a new san-sìk verb:

Po 'eyng san ... sìk
He replied, (saying,) "..."

I think it may be worth our time to:

1. update those among the list that we know about in the dictionary
2. send a quick email to KP containing the part of the list we don't know about yet.

I would think that it might be relatively fast for him to decide and declare transitivity on these.

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Re: Official Na'vi Dictionary
« Reply #2438 on: August 31, 2018, 05:03:35 am »
Please do!  :)
I’d like to have clarifications of these words almost a decade old.

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Re: Official Na'vi Dictionary
« Reply #2439 on: September 02, 2018, 08:26:06 am »
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I think 'eyng could go both ways.

"She answered me"
I think me is an indirect object here  :-\
Otherwise it could have easily the same grammatical structure as a sentence with irayo si.
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