Official Na'vi Dictionary

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Vawmataw

Quote from: Mech on November 03, 2018, 07:43:41 AM
I hope you didn't overlook the word Hälowin, did you? :)
Same thing on dict-navi
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Toliman

Hälowin - lì'u a eltur tìtxen si :)

Tirea Aean

Quote from: Tirea Aean on November 03, 2018, 11:09:36 AM
This word Hälowin was first mentioned on Na'viteri back on October 30 2011 and again on October 31 2012

I think it wasn't listed in the dict because it was an obvious loan word? Any word can be loaned once it has been converted to comply with syllable rules and phonetics.

Though I suppose since Giraffe is in Eana Eltu, We could just continue to put every single loan word Pawl has ever used in there as if we couldn't just do the same thing ourselves o.o

Tirea Aean

#2463
Just came to my attention:
IPA bugs:

tswìk kxenerit (missing \textcorner, ì in IPA instead of "I"-hack, R.ìt should be .Rit)
ngrrpongu (missing \textprimstress)
tìftiatu kifkeyä (missing syllable boundary; should be fti\textprimstress .a, ì in IPA should be i in the kifkeyä part, capitalized J characters should just be j, also it's not kifkeyyä so it should be Ej.æ)

I've put in these fixes, did not create/compile.

Irayo ma Txawey!

EDIT: Which is more consistently our convention?
* \textprimstress .a. (stress marker before the syllable boundary dot)
* .\textprimstress a. (stress marker just after the syllable boundary dot)

I wanna say the first one..

`Eylan Ayfalulukanä

Quote from: Tirea Aean on November 24, 2018, 09:14:08 AM

EDIT: Which is more consistently our convention?
* \textprimstress .a. (stress marker before the syllable boundary dot)
* .\textprimstress a. (stress marker just after the syllable boundary dot)

I wanna say the first one..

Its the second one.

Yawey ngahu!
pamrel si ro [email protected]

Tirea Aean

Quote from: `Eylan Ayfalulukanä on November 26, 2018, 03:15:14 PM
Quote from: Tirea Aean on November 24, 2018, 09:14:08 AM

EDIT: Which is more consistently our convention?
* \textprimstress .a. (stress marker before the syllable boundary dot)
* .\textprimstress a. (stress marker just after the syllable boundary dot)

I wanna say the first one..

Its the second one.

Guess we got some more entries to fix o.o

irayo :D

Tirea Aean

Noticed that the IPA didn't match words for season words, zìskrr.*

Changes put in for:
zìskrrmipaw [zI.sI.k\textsyllabic{r}.\textprimstress mi.paw] --> [zI.sk\textsyllabic{r}.\textprimstress mi.paw]
zìskrrsom [zI.sI.k\textsyllabic{r}.\textprimstress som] --> [zI.sk\textsyllabic{r}.\textprimstress som]
zìskrrtsawn [zI.sI.k\textsyllabic{r}.\textprimstress \t{ts}awn] --> [zI.sk\textsyllabic{r}.\textprimstress \t{ts}awn]
zìskrrwew [zI.sI.k\textsyllabic{r}.\textprimstress wEw] --> [zI.sk\textsyllabic{r}.\textprimstress wEw]

(all: .sI.k --> .sk)

Saved, but did not Create changes.

Tirea Aean

#2467
usage of «'» instead of «'» can be seen in at least one field for exactly only 11 entries. For consistency's sake, it would be good to swap these «'» chars out for «'» so that all entries use «'».

Vawmataw

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Tirea Aean



Quote from: Vawmataw on December 15, 2018, 12:18:56 PM
I vote in your favour

irayo :)

The reason I bring this up is, fwew relies on this data, and this inconsistency has caused fwew to fail to find a queried entry due to expecting to find apos but found smart quote instead.



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Quote from: Pamìrìk Today at 11:26
!fwew lì'uvi uolì'uvi



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Quote from: Pamìrìk"lì'uvi" "uolì'uvi"
[1] lì'uvi [ˈlɪ.ʔu.vi] n. affix

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Quote from: Pamìrìk Today at 11:27
:facepalm1: https://dict-navi.com/nav/dictionary/term/8138/?search_term=l%C3%AC%27uvi
pokx @tirea

Toliman


Tirea Aean

Quote from: Tirea Aean on December 15, 2018, 11:01:20 AM
usage of «'» instead of «'» can be seen in at least one field for exactly only 11 entries. For consistency's sake, it would be good to swap these «'» chars out for «'» so that all entries use «'».

So ma Toruk Makto, should I put in this fix too?  Also, when should we release a new version? These minor edits have started to kinda stack up.

`Eylan Ayfalulukanä

Is that the glottal stop character you are talking about? If so, what is the unicode for the 'correct' glottal stop character?

Yawey ngahu!
pamrel si ro [email protected]

Toruk Makto

Quote from: Tirea Aean on December 22, 2018, 12:02:27 PM
Quote from: Tirea Aean on December 15, 2018, 11:01:20 AM
usage of «'» instead of «'» can be seen in at least one field for exactly only 11 entries. For consistency's sake, it would be good to swap these «'» chars out for «'» so that all entries use «'».

So ma Toruk Makto, should I put in this fix too?  Also, when should we release a new version? These minor edits have started to kinda stack up.

Yes please. Not sure how those got mixed up.

Lì'fyari leNa'vi 'Rrtamì, vay set 'almong a fra'u zera'u ta ngrrpongu
Na'vi Dictionary: http://files.learnnavi.org/dicts/NaviDictionary.pdf

Tirea Aean

#2474
Quote from: `Eylan Ayfalulukanä on December 22, 2018, 09:27:47 PM
Is that the glottal stop character you are talking about? If so, what is the unicode for the 'correct' glottal stop character?

I don't think that Paul has declared an official Unicode for it. I'm fairly certain that he's just been using the
[['  "]] key on a standard keyboard.

WordPress and MS Word are known to replace these characters with their smart quote equivalents (that is, /'/, /'/, /"/, and /"/ ) and iOS has made it convenient to use these smart quote versions by default, requiring additional work to type out those normal ones that a standard keyboard could with one keystroke.

Quote from: Toruk Makto on December 24, 2018, 05:19:43 PM
Yes please. Not sure how those got mixed up.
On it. 8)

EDIT: Done. None of the changes since Nov 8 have been published. Should I create these into 13.10?

Wllìm

Two more instances of weird IPA: tìftiatu kifkeyä (has double y in there - interestingly enough tìftia kifkeyä seems to be fine) and tswìk kxenerit (has ì instead of i).

Toruk Makto

Tirea, let's hold on creating for just a bit. May need to add some stuff.

Lì'fyari leNa'vi 'Rrtamì, vay set 'almong a fra'u zera'u ta ngrrpongu
Na'vi Dictionary: http://files.learnnavi.org/dicts/NaviDictionary.pdf

Tirea Aean

Quote from: Toruk Makto on January 09, 2019, 08:55:54 PM
Tirea, let's hold on creating for just a bit. May need to add some stuff.

Works. You can do it whenever you think is best. I've been purposely holding off compilation/creation :)

Wllìm

Another one: the IPA for zenke misses the second infix dot (should be after the ŋ, right?)
Sorry for spamming this thread ;)

Tirea Aean

Quote from: Wllìm on January 12, 2019, 10:52:14 AM
Another one: the IPA for zenke misses the second infix dot (should be after the ŋ, right?)
Sorry for spamming this thread ;)

zenke is a bit difficult because of position 2.

For only two pos-2 infixes (ats, uy), the /ŋ/ becomes just an /n/ and the /ɛ/ comes back, in front of which goes the infix.

How should we handle this? Because if there is no 2nd position infix used, then it looks how it does already. If ei or äng for example is used, then indeed the dot would just go right there, but the /ŋ/ becomes /n/. And then the case above. Do we need 3 different IPAs for zenke? :O If so, how do we make it clear which one happens when?