Official Na'vi Dictionary

[Tirea Aean]

It has come to my attention that only half of our verbs that are eligible for the svin. marking have been marked as such:

Spoiler: fwew output

fwew "/list pos has svin."
[1] lìm [l·ɪm] svin. be far
[2] kllfro' [kḷ.ˈfɾ·oʔ] svin. be responsible
[3] lu [l·u] vin., svin. be, am, is, are
[4] sim [s·im] svin. be near
[5] maweypey [ma.ˈwɛj.p·ɛj] svin. be patient (ii)
[6] wou [ˈw·o.·u] svin. be amazing, fascinating (slang)
[7] newomum [n·ɛw.ˈo.mum] svin. be curious, want to know
[8] zo [z·o] svin. be well, be intact, be as it should be, work correctly or as nature intended
[9] 'ìn [ʔ·ɪn] svin. be busy, be occupied
[10] sulìn [ˈs·u.l·ɪn] svin. be busy (positive sense), be engrossed in something one finds especially pleasant and energizing
[11] vrrìn [ˈv·ṛ.·ɪn] svin. be busy (negative sense): be tired out and overwhelmed by an activity that's keeping one busy
[12] yo' [j·oʔ̚] svin. be perfect, flawless



fwew -p=vin. -r be
[1] fnu [fn·u] vin. quiet, be quiet
[2] nari si [ˈna.ɾi s·i] vin. watch out, be careful
[3] tsranten [ˈt͡sɾ·an.t·ɛn] vin. matter, be of importance
[4] sti [st·i] vin. anger (intransitive), be angry
[5] tìsraw si [tɪ.ˈsɾaw ˈs·i] vin. hurt, be painful
[6] tsunslu [ˈt͡s·un.sl·u] vin. may, be possible
[7] txopu si [ˈt'o.pu ˈs·i] vin. be afraid
[8] hek [h·ɛk̚] vin. be curious, odd, strange, unexpected
[9] sunu [ˈs·u.n·u] vin. be pleasing or likeable, bring enjoyment
[10] eltur tìtxen si [ˈɛl.tuɾ tɪ.ˈt'ɛn s·i] vin. be interesting, intriguing
[11] smon [sm·on] vin. be familiar, be known (with dative)
[12] 'ongokx [ˈʔ·o.ŋ·ok'] vin. be born
[13] ro'a [ˈɾ·o.ʔ·a] vin. be impressive, inspire awe or respect
[14] txanro'a [t'an.ˈɾ·o.ʔ·a] vin. be famous
[15] kxem [k'·ɛm] vin. be vertical
[16] txay [t'·aj] vin. be horizontal, lie flat
[17] nrr [n·ṛ] vin. glow, be luminous
[18] rou [ˈɾ·o.·u] vin. be, or get drunk
[19] vezo [vɛ.ˈz·o] vin. be in order, be organized
[20] ngä'än [ŋ·æ.ˈʔ·æn] vin. suffer mentally or emotionally, be miserable
[21] ley [l·ɛj] vin. be of value, have some positive value, be worth something
[22] tìkxìm si [tɪ.ˈk'ɪm s·i] vin. be above someone in a heirarchy, be someone's superior
[23] zawprrte' [z·aw.ˈpṛ.tɛʔ] vin. be enjoyable
[24] stiwi si [ˈsti.wi s·i] vin. be naughty, do mis
[25] lesar si [lɛ.ˈsaɾ s·i] vin. be useful, be of use, come in handy

The reason for this happening is almost certainly because not even Frommer uses the svin. convention to distinguish stative verbs from any other intransitive verb, and definitions from Na'viteri are entered directly into our database. Effectively, svin. does not even officially exist as a type.

A discussion in the Discord chat concluded that the svin. marking also does not provide anything particularly useful, and is a totally custom in-house type.

I would like to make a motion to:

1) convert all current svin. types to vin.
and
2) continue with vin. for all intransitive verbs, as released on Na'viteri

Would any second this?

[Tìtstewan]

Oe second fì'u.

[Plumps]

I third the motion 

[Vawmataw]

I can fourth that as long as we can extract a list of stative verbs

[Tirea Aean]

I can fourth that as long as we can extract a list of stative verbs

A more effective method already exists for fwew users:

`fwew -r -p=vin. be`

It will list every stative verb by virtue of every one of their definitions including the word "be" . As seen in my previous post, this query already is more effective than the `/list pos has svin.` query, because half of our svin.s are currently just marked as vin. o.o

EDIT: Also, as Pamìrìk points out, is there anything inherently useful about stative verbs that isn't already covered by the fact that they are intransitive verbs? Usage-wise, they are really no different than any other vin. For this reason, I'm not sure if it's necessary for them to have a separate word class.

[Vawmataw]

In that case it's fine by me. No need to be categorized svin. anyway.

[Tirea Aean]

I've discovered that there are a number of words that need adjustments in the IPA, where trilled r was used instead of flap r:

Spoiler

+------------------+----------------------------------------+
| navi             | ipa                                    |
+------------------+----------------------------------------+
| ayfo             | aj.ˈfo] or [ˈaj.fo                     |
| ìlä+             | ˈɪ.læ] or [ɪ.ˈlæ                       |
| kenong           | ˈk·ɛ.n·oŋ] or [ˈkɛ.n·oŋ                |
| tsakem           | ˈt͡sa.kɛm] or [t͡sa.ˈkɛm               |
| tsatseng         | t͡sa.ˈt͡sɛŋ] or [ˈt͡sa.t͡sɛŋ           |
| mìfa             | ˈmɪ.fa] or [mɪ.ˈfa                     |
| rengop           | ˈrɛ.ŋ·op̚                              |
| tìrengop         | tɪ.ˈrɛ.ŋop̚                            |
| särengop         | sæ.ˈrɛ.ŋop̚                            |
| tìsyor           | tɪ.ˈsjor                               |
| frafya           | ˈfra.fja                               |
| pamrelsiyu       | pam.ˈrɛl.si.ju                         |
| rel arusikx      | ˈrɛl a.ru.ˈsikx                        |
| txolar           | ˈt'o.lar                               |
| zawr             | zawr                                   |
| yomyo lerìk      | ˈjom.yo lɛ.ˈrɪk̚                       |
| kllrikx          | kḷ.ˈrik'                              |
| rawng            | rawŋ                                   |
| laro si          | ˈla.ro s·i                             |
| räptum           | ræp.ˈtum                               |
| lerìn            | lɛ.ˈrɪn                                |
| rem              | rɛm                                    |
| rìkxi            | r·ɪ.ˈk'·i                              |
| pamrelvul        | pam.ˈrel.vul                           |
| pamrelvul lerìn  | pam.ˈrel.vul le.ˈɾɪn                   |
| leyr             | lɛjr                                   |
| leyr si          | ˈlɛjr s·i                              |
| Nìyu Yorkì       | ni.ˌju ˈjor.kɪ                         |
+------------------+----------------------------------------+
28 rows in set (0.00 sec)


particularly, all of them that don't have " or " in them

also, IPA and infix data for hipx is not correct. (should be h·ip', but it is currently hip')

EDIT: Also, the following verbs are missing raised dot / infixes data:

Spoiler

+-------+---------+---------------+---------+--------------+
| id    | navi    | ipa           | infixes | partOfSpeech |
+-------+---------+---------------+---------+--------------+
|  7588 | nga'    | ŋaʔ           | nga'    | vtr.         |
|  9092 | reykol  | ɾɛj.ˈkol      | reykol  | vtr.         |
|  9312 | vezeyko | vɛ.zɛj.ˈko    | vezeyko | vtr.         |
| 11384 | aho     | a.ˈho         | aho     | vin.         |
| 11548 | hipx    | hip'          | hipx    | vtr.         |
+-------+---------+---------------+---------+--------------+
5 rows in set (0.01 sec)

[Tirea Aean]

IPA for tìftiatu kifkeyä

Expected:
[tɪ.fti.ˈa.tu ki.ˈfkɛ.jæ]

Actual:
[tɪ.ftiˈa.tu kì.ˈfkɛJ.Jæ] (missing syllable separator, ì for I, J for j)

IPA for tìftia kifkeyä

Expected:
[tɪ.fti.ˈa ki.ˈfkɛ.jæ]

Actual:
[tɪ.ftiˈ.a ki.ˈfkɛ.jæ] (\textprimstress before syllable separator)

EDIT:
also, stiwi si is "be naughty, do mis" in the database dumps, because on EE, the field says "be naughty, do mis\-chief" and the \- is causing truncation.

[archaic]

Thank you for this, you're awesome!

[Eìrä]

IPA for tìftiatu kifkeyä

Expected:
[tɪ.fti.ˈa.tu ki.ˈfkɛ.jæ]

Actual:
[tɪ.ftiˈa.tu kì.ˈfkɛJ.Jæ] (missing syllable separator, ì for I, J for j)

IPA for tìftia kifkeyä

Expected:
[tɪ.fti.ˈa ki.ˈfkɛ.jæ]

Actual:
[tɪ.ftiˈ.a ki.ˈfkɛ.jæ] (\textprimstress before syllable separator)

EDIT:
also, stiwi si is "be naughty, do mis" in the database dumps, because on EE, the field says "be naughty, do mis\-chief" and the \- is causing truncation.

Irayo nìtxan ma Tirea Aean!

[Txawey]

srìn is defined as "transfer from one to another" and should be changed to "temporarily transfer from one to another" as per the post:

http://naviteri.org/2012/01/more-additions-to-the-lexicon/

[Tirea Aean]

New words!

http://naviteri.org/2019/06/50a-liu-amip-40-new-words

[Toliman]

Txantsan

I already almost didn't hope that

[Tirea Aean]

The Official Na'vi Dictionary version 14.0 has been compiled and released with all these new words.
https://eanaeltu.learnnavi.org/dicts/NaviDictionary.pdf
(You may have to clear your browser cache to see new version come up)

[Toliman]

Txantsan

[eejmensenikbenhet]

Dutch version is translated and up to date, but I'm unable to publish 14.1 (just the Na'vi-NL dictionary, the NL-Na'vi and the Categorised dictionaries are fine...)
Also, my progress is 103% But I think that has something to do with the removal of the Non-Frommerian words?

[KalaKuival]

Estonian version has similar issue as eejmensenikbenhet. For me, none of the dictionary links are being generated and the updated document cannot be accessed.
My progress is 101%

[Toruk Makto]

There is a problem with the EE system right now. We're working on it.  -M.

[archaic]

I just noticed a duplication.....

lì’upuk [ˈlɪ.ʔu.puk̚] n. dictionary
lì’upuk [ˈlɪ.ʔu.puk̚] n. dictionary

[Tirea Aean]

I just noticed a duplication..... lì’upuk [ˈlɪ.ʔu.puk̚] n. dictionary lì’upuk [ˈlɪ.ʔu.puk̚] n. dictionary

I believe that for some reason, one of these is in the main block with the rest of the words, and the other one is in the loan words appendix. I noticed this a while ago, and thought it was interesting. Technically, only half of this word is a loan, and if anything, it's a compound word that is half native, half foreign. interesa

I'm not sure what we should do with this. I am inclined to agree that we should only have one copy of the entry, but which one should we keep? The loan appendix entry, or the main block entry?