Author Topic: Official Na'vi Dictionary (Read 94088 times)

Tirea Aean · « **Reply #2480 on:** February 06, 2019, 02:32:37 pm »

It has come to my attention that only half of our verbs that are eligible for the svin. marking have been marked as such:

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fwew "/list pos has svin." [1] lìm [l·ɪm] svin. be far [2] kllfro' [kḷ.ˈfɾ·oʔ] svin. be responsible [3] lu [l·u] vin., svin. be, am, is, are [4] sim [s·im] svin. be near [5] maweypey [ma.ˈwɛj.p·ɛj] svin. be patient (ii) [6] wou [ˈw·o.·u] svin. be amazing, fascinating (slang) [7] newomum [n·ɛw.ˈo.mum] svin. be curious, want to know [8] zo [z·o] svin. be well, be intact, be as it should be, work correctly or as nature intended [9] 'ìn [ʔ·ɪn] svin. be busy, be occupied [10] sulìn [ˈs·u.l·ɪn] svin. be busy (positive sense), be engrossed in something one finds especially pleasant and energizing [11] vrrìn [ˈv·ṛ.·ɪn] svin. be busy (negative sense): be tired out and overwhelmed by an activity that's keeping one busy [12] yo' [j·oʔ̚] svin. be perfect, flawless

fwew -p=vin. -r be [1] fnu [fn·u] vin. quiet, be quiet [2] nari si [ˈna.ɾi s·i] vin. watch out, be careful [3] tsranten [ˈt͡sɾ·an.t·ɛn] vin. matter, be of importance [4] sti [st·i] vin. anger (intransitive), be angry [5] tìsraw si [tɪ.ˈsɾaw ˈs·i] vin. hurt, be painful [6] tsunslu [ˈt͡s·un.sl·u] vin. may, be possible [7] txopu si [ˈt'o.pu ˈs·i] vin. be afraid [8] hek [h·ɛk̚] vin. be curious, odd, strange, unexpected [9] sunu [ˈs·u.n·u] vin. be pleasing or likeable, bring enjoyment [10] eltur tìtxen si [ˈɛl.tuɾ tɪ.ˈt'ɛn s·i] vin. be interesting, intriguing [11] smon [sm·on] vin. be familiar, be known (with dative) [12] 'ongokx [ˈʔ·o.ŋ·ok'] vin. be born [13] ro'a [ˈɾ·o.ʔ·a] vin. be impressive, inspire awe or respect [14] txanro'a [t'an.ˈɾ·o.ʔ·a] vin. be famous [15] kxem [k'·ɛm] vin. be vertical [16] txay [t'·aj] vin. be horizontal, lie flat [17] nrr [n·ṛ] vin. glow, be luminous [18] rou [ˈɾ·o.·u] vin. be, or get drunk [19] vezo [vɛ.ˈz·o] vin. be in order, be organized [20] ngä'än [ŋ·æ.ˈʔ·æn] vin. suffer mentally or emotionally, be miserable [21] ley [l·ɛj] vin. be of value, have some positive value, be worth something [22] tìkxìm si [tɪ.ˈk'ɪm s·i] vin. be above someone in a heirarchy, be someone's superior [23] zawprrte' [z·aw.ˈpṛ.tɛʔ] vin. be enjoyable [24] stiwi si [ˈsti.wi s·i] vin. be naughty, do mis [25] lesar si [lɛ.ˈsaɾ s·i] vin. be useful, be of use, come in handy

The reason for this happening is almost certainly because not even Frommer uses the svin. convention to distinguish stative verbs from any other intransitive verb, and definitions from Na'viteri are entered directly into our database. Effectively, svin. does not even officially exist as a type.

A discussion in the Discord chat concluded that the svin. marking also does not provide anything particularly useful, and is a totally custom in-house type.

I would like to make a motion to:

1) convert all current svin. types to vin.
and
2) continue with vin. for all intransitive verbs, as released on Na'viteri

Would any second this?

Tìtstewan · « **Reply #2481 on:** February 06, 2019, 02:33:43 pm »

Oe second fì'u.

Plumps · « **Reply #2482 on:** February 06, 2019, 03:23:19 pm »

I third the motion

Vawmataw · « **Reply #2483 on:** February 06, 2019, 08:12:59 pm »

I can fourth that as long as we can extract a list of stative verbs

Tirea Aean · « **Reply #2484 on:** February 06, 2019, 08:17:42 pm »

Quote from: Vawmataw on February 06, 2019, 08:12:59 pm

I can fourth that as long as we can extract a list of stative verbs

A more effective method already exists for fwew users:

`fwew -r -p=vin. be`

It will list every stative verb by virtue of every one of their definitions including the word "be" . As seen in my previous post, this query already is more effective than the `/list pos has svin.` query, because half of our svin.s are currently just marked as vin. o.o

EDIT: Also, as Pamìrìk points out, is there anything inherently useful about stative verbs that isn't already covered by the fact that they are intransitive verbs? Usage-wise, they are really no different than any other vin. For this reason, I'm not sure if it's necessary for them to have a separate word class.

Vawmataw · « **Reply #2485 on:** February 06, 2019, 08:20:54 pm »

In that case it's fine by me. No need to be categorized svin. anyway.

Tirea Aean · « **Reply #2486 on:** April 20, 2019, 11:18:49 pm »

I've discovered that there are a number of words that need adjustments in the IPA, where trilled r was used instead of flap r:

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also, IPA and infix data for hipx is not correct. (should be h·ip', but it is currently hip')

EDIT: Also, the following verbs are missing raised dot / infixes data:

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