Official Na'vi Dictionary

Toruk Makto · August 15, 2011, 08:04:48 AM

How is that edited?

Tirea Aean · August 15, 2011, 05:59:44 PM

Does Tuiq know? i would have expected that the cdots get parsed in the backend to generate the infix position table. also the 1 2 3 vs. 0 1 2 thing. maybe its not our job to change that... but it still should be done.

Toruk Makto · August 15, 2011, 11:18:31 PM

I would be glad to fix it if I knew where...

'Oma Tirea · August 16, 2011, 03:56:48 AM

Update: from here: Toìtsye is now recognized as Toitslan. It's more accurate than before TEMO.

Plumps · August 16, 2011, 09:06:37 AM

Tse, ma 'Oma,
this is not fully correct. German (= deutsch) as in language and the adjective is still Toitsye as K. Pawl said in this blog post. Only the name for the country Germany (= Deutschland) is now clear as Toitslan

Toruk Makto · August 16, 2011, 02:31:40 PM

Toitslan and Toitsye loan words added and kurakx vtr. corrected. New version 12.283

Plumps · August 17, 2011, 03:05:06 PM

Follow-up on the blog

Quotelukpen (adj., luk.PEN) 'naked, without clothing'

Toruk Makto · August 17, 2011, 04:14:58 PM

Irayo ma Plumps!

Lukpen added. New version 12.29

Toruk Makto · August 17, 2011, 04:25:42 PM

Ma eylan,

I would like to re-float something that has been brought up before by Prrton and others. It is the idea of putting cannon example use sentences after words. Personally, I think this would be a fabulous thing and I am willing to put the work in to make the additions, given some help locating and tabulating the changes needed. The caveat is that it would change the way words are structured in the database. There is already a comment field that can be used (tested it myself), but some words would have something in this field and others wouldn't. Without knowing how this database is used by the various projects abounding in the community, I would like to know if there is a deadly reason why this wouldn't work.

Markì

Tirea Aean · August 17, 2011, 06:21:08 PM

that might also call for change in search algorithms in dictionary search programs. im not against this idea of examples being included tho.

wm.annis · August 17, 2011, 07:42:14 PM

Simply adding a new column to a table wouldn't change anything so long as you didn't change the name of any of the other columns.

Better yet, simply creating a new table for examples lets people who are interested in those grab them, while leaving the current tables alone.

Toruk Makto · August 17, 2011, 10:08:53 PM

My major concern is that there is much voodoo and scripting going on under the hood that I haven't the foggiest about. So much so, that I don't even think I am qualified to make valid suggestions on how to add that kind of functionality beyond what I stated above.

Markì

Tirea Aean · August 17, 2011, 10:14:23 PM

that sounds like Tuiq territory...

Puvomun · August 18, 2011, 03:47:31 AM

Quote from: Tirea Aean on August 17, 2011, 10:14:23 PM
that sounds like Tuiq territory...

I agree. I would however be very surprised if adding an extra field to the database-table would throw things upside down. Tables are made for that to be easy.
Adding sample sentences would be good. Makes me think of the samples that Omängum Fra'uti provides for the Na'vi word of the day.
(site, twitterfeed)

Eywa'eveng-tìranyu · August 18, 2011, 04:34:35 AM

Maybe make an extra dictionary for that?
(like the concise one, but with examples)

Because if you only need the dictionary one with examples would be a bit confusing...

Toruk Makto · August 18, 2011, 07:49:50 AM

Quote from: Puvomun on August 18, 2011, 03:47:31 AM
Quote from: Tirea Aean on August 17, 2011, 10:14:23 PM
that sounds like Tuiq territory...
I agree. I would however be very surprised if adding an extra field to the database-table would throw things upside down. Tables are made for that to be easy.
Adding sample sentences would be good. Makes me think of the samples that Omängum Fra'uti provides for the Na'vi word of the day.
(site, twitterfeed)

We already have a comment field that (as far as i know) isn't being used for anything, but would work for this. It adds text at the end of each word entry in the output dictionary. Again, my concern is that it would break other projects that draw on the database as a source.

Markì

Tirea Aean · August 18, 2011, 03:14:29 PM

well, vCLI works on the metaWords and localizedWords tables. If you add a field to those tables, I really might need to do some tweaking. But if you make a new table, I can even add example fetching feature and the exsting work is not broken. I like that idea. still, this database table stuff is probably Tuiq territory, or for whoever has sql access on the server.

Zìma’uyu · August 24, 2011, 08:46:31 PM

Well, what's more important - the apps, or the content?

Tirea Aean · August 24, 2011, 08:52:10 PM

Quote from: Amhul on August 24, 2011, 08:46:31 PM
Well, what's more important - the apps, or the content?

As far as the dictionary itself goes, the content is fine. that infix position data is not expressed in the dictionary pdf. this data is being used for my app. EE is open source, I just remembered, and Tuiq has shown me the code where it calculates infix positions. it actually has nothing to do with the IPA data (which is in the dictionary and is all correct thus far as far as I am aware) He says fix it and he'll update it. I will have to take a look at Perl and try to fix it according to modern standard for infixing.

and inside the vCLI app, this IS a matter of the content. though I think this is a tad off topic.

Ontopic remark, I fixed the IPA for yemstokx, didnt bother changing version number.

'Oma Tirea · August 31, 2011, 02:49:17 AM

I just realized that tsuk- is missing from inflections. It's known to be productive on transitive verbs IIRC.