Official Na'vi Dictionary

[Tirea Aean]

I just realized that tsuk- is missing from inflections.  It's known to be productive on transitive verbs IIRC.

Tsuk- is widely productive, considerably more so than English -able/-ible. For one thing, you can attach it to virtually any transitive verb:

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tsukrun 'findable,' tsuktxula 'constructible,' tsukfrrfen 'able to be visited (visitable?)', tsuktaron 'able to be hunted, (huntable?),' etc.

Additionally, you can often attach tsuk- to intransitive verbs as well:

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4. Fìtseng lu tsuktsurokx.
'One can rest here. / It's possible to rest here. / This place is "restable."'

5. Lu na'rìng tsukhahaw.
'One can sleep in the forest. / It's possible to sleep in the forest. / The forest is "sleepable."'

['Oma Tirea]

OK, but it should still be added under "other inflections".

['Oma Tirea]

Mip! mip!

We now have more words to add, as well as a conformation on the transitivity of pawm and plltxe.  Should those verbs be marked as ditransitive?

[Tirea Aean]

TL;DR NEW STUFF:

Just as fì'ut a usually contracts in colloquial conversation to the single word futa, faylì'ut a contracts to fayluta:

Fmawnit a contracts conversationally to fmawnta:

vin (vtr.) 'ask for, request'


Some conversational contractions of tì'eyng are:

tì'eyng  + a > teynga

tì'eyngìl  + a > teyngla

tì'eyngit  + a > teyngta

* Tirea Aean slips away swiftly into the darkness

[Kamean]

Irayo nìtxan!

[Blue Elf]

Mip! mip!

We now have more words to add, as well as a conformation on the transitivity of pawm and plltxe.  Should those verbs be marked as ditransitive?

Ditransitive? I think ambitransitive - can be used both transitively and intransitively. AFAIK ditransitive = verb needing both direct and indirect subject

[`Eylan Ayfalulukanä]

Blue Elf is right. These verbs would simply be marked v, which means 'ambitransitive, or unknown at this time'. The rare truly ditransitive verbs would be marked as ditransitive.

As usual, this is a very interesting and useful post.

['Oma Tirea]

Although every time I see just a v. I assume it's unknown.  Either a note at the beginning of the dictionary would help or a new marking.  For the latter I was thinking vam. although other abbreviations may be possible.

[Tirea Aean]

Although every time I see just a v. I assume it's unknown.  Either a note at the beginning of the dictionary would help or a new marking.  For the latter I was thinking vam. although other abbreviations may be possible.

me too, but not vam. i would receive that as verb ambitransitive modal. remember modals end with m. such as vim, vtrm, vm. perhaps va?

* Tirea Aean slips swiftly into the shadows

['Oma Tirea]

Although every time I see just a v. I assume it's unknown.  Either a note at the beginning of the dictionary would help or a new marking.  For the latter I was thinking vam. although other abbreviations may be possible.

me too, but not vam. i would receive that as verb ambitransitive modal. remember modals end with m. such as vim, vtrm, vm. perhaps va?

* Tirea Aean slips swiftly into the shadows

* 'Oma Tirear sunu tsasäfpìl

Hopefully others can agree, too.

[`Eylan Ayfalulukanä]

I would be much more inclined to mark verbs with unknown transitivity as vu. We have markings for transitive, intransitive, modal, stative, and (I think) ditransitive. Do we need any more markings on verbs?

[Blue Elf]

For ditransitive there is no marking at this time. I think here are two options:
- mark ditransitive verbs, then all unmarked will be unknown transitivity
- mark verbs with unknown transitivity, then unmarked will be ditransitive
I'm not sure what option is better, probably the first one?

[Plumps]

Noticed that kllkulat is marked as v. only ... but we have an example sentence from way back here that shows it is transitive

[`Eylan Ayfalulukanä]

For ditransitive there is no marking at this time. I think here are two options:
- mark ditransitive verbs, then all unmarked will be unknown transitivity
- mark verbs with unknown transitivity, then unmarked will be ditransitive
I'm not sure what option is better, probably the first one?

I would go with the first option, and I have suggested that in the past. I don't think there are many truly ditransitive verbs, anyway. And those that are should be marked as such.

A lot of transitive verbs can be used ditransitively. IMHO These are not ditransitive verbs. Only those verbs that need both a direct and an indirect object should be marked ditransitive.

['Oma Tirea]

Right, and as Blue Elf pointed out, these aren't really ditransitives, but ambitransitives.

[Tirea Aean]

New blog post, even more new words. http://naviteri.org

[Kamean]

Tsame'e oel fì'ut. Lesar sì eltur tìtxen si.

[Tirea Aean]

TL;DR NEW STUFF:

Just as fì'ut a usually contracts in colloquial conversation to the single word futa, faylì'ut a contracts to fayluta:

Fmawnit a contracts conversationally to fmawnta:

vin (vtr.) 'ask for, request'


Some conversational contractions of tì'eyng are:

tì'eyng  + a > teynga

tì'eyngìl  + a > teyngla

tì'eyngit  + a > teyngta

* Tirea Aean slips away swiftly into the darkness

TL;DR NEW STUFF

mìftxele (adv., mì.FTXE.le) 'by the way, in this regard, related to this matter'

zìma'uyu (n., zì.MA.'u.yu) 'newcomer, someone who has just arrived on the scene'

nìvingkap (adv., nì.VING.kap) 'by the way, incidentally'

txankrr (adv., txan.KRR) 'for a long time'

vingkap (vtr., VING.kap – inf. 1,2) 'occur to one, strike one, pop into one's mind'

inan (vtr.: i.NAN – inf. 1,2) 'read (e.g. the forest), gain knowledge from sensory input'

tìomum (n., tì.O.mum) 'knowledge'

tìomummì oeyä 'to my knowledge, as far as I know'

tinan (n., TI.nan) 'reading'

ninan (adv., NI.nan) 'by reading'

tsmìm (n.) 'animal track'

'Ä' Oops

* Tirea Aean disappears

['Oma Tirea]

It is what I expected before, but:

C:\WINDOWS>vrrtepcli -n pxay
Vrrtep CLI v1.92 by Tirea Aean. run 'vrrtepcli -h' for usage.
Windows version by Swoka Ikran
Standalone version

adj. many

C:\WINDOWS>vrrtepcli -n txan
Vrrtep CLI v1.92 by Tirea Aean. run 'vrrtepcli -h' for usage.
Windows version by Swoka Ikran
Standalone version

adj. great, much, many (in quantity)

Looks like we have two words for countables, and one of them is also for uncountables

"Many" here is really a mistake as it defines pxay and not txan.  I'll notify those taking care of the dictionary....

My point here is that "many" is not a good definition for txan.

Also, when are the above words going to be added?  Is the system behind the dictionary broken?

[Tirea Aean]

It is what I expected before, but:

C:\WINDOWS>vrrtepcli -n pxay
Vrrtep CLI v1.92 by Tirea Aean. run 'vrrtepcli -h' for usage.
Windows version by Swoka Ikran
Standalone version

adj. many

C:\WINDOWS>vrrtepcli -n txan
Vrrtep CLI v1.92 by Tirea Aean. run 'vrrtepcli -h' for usage.
Windows version by Swoka Ikran
Standalone version

adj. great, much, many (in quantity)

Looks like we have two words for countables, and one of them is also for uncountables

"Many" here is really a mistake as it defines pxay and not txan.  I'll notify those taking care of the dictionary....

My point here is that "many" is not a good definition for txan.

Also, when are the above words going to be added?  Is the system behind the dictionary broken?

big thanks to Blue ELf for using vrrtepcli. (also, the -n argument is optional, you dont really need that.)

Anyway, I totally agree, I would certainly rather have the definition

txan [t'an] PF adj. much

The dictionary software is fine. Markì and I made a deal some time ago that he would take care of the interface and database updates (I still update vrrtepcli dictionaries thereafter) and I would be the one to make decisions here on this thread (within reasonable authority bounds).

Markì is kinda away (afaik), I thought he would be coming back really soon, but I guess I can contact him real quick and see if I can just update it while he's out.