san/sìk - Ergativ usage possible?

Started by 'eylan na'viyä, March 17, 2010, 09:33:33 AM

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'eylan na'viyä

in most situations the direct speech takes the place of an accusative object:
oel poltxe san fnu!
but is it also possible to use it in ergative case?
nga lu skxawng sìk ke srung si oer
do i need to add -l/-ìl to "sìk"?
does san/sìk already include the case and therefore a different version must exist for the ergative case?
or is everything understood from context or is the word order important?

Keylstxatsmen

Quote from: 'eylan na'viyä on March 17, 2010, 09:33:33 AM
in most situations the direct speech takes the place of an accusative object:
oel poltxe san fnu!
but is it also possible to use it in ergative case?
nga lu skxawng sìk ke srung si oer
do i need to add -l/-ìl to "sìk"?
does san/sìk already include the case and therefore a different version must exist for the ergative case?
or is everything understood from context or is the word order important?

We talk about this some in the "Na'vi Nì'aw" board.  I assume it is for reporting speech only, I would say your sentence like this:
Ayoe polängkxo nì'it teri faylì'u pängkxotsengmì "Na'vi Nì'aw"yä. Oel fpìl futa tsa tivok nì'aw tìplltxeti a fko fmawn si, ha oe kxawm pivlltxe ngeäya aylì'u fìfya:

Ke srung si oeru fwa nga plltxe san nga lu skwang (sìk).

or hu

San nga lu skawng sìk nga plltxe a fì'u ke srung si oer.

-Keyl
Oeru lì'fya leNa'vi prrte' leiu nìtxan! 

Txo nga new leskxawnga tawtutehu nìNa'vi pivängkxo, oeru 'upxaret fpe' ulte ngaru srungit tayìng oel.  Faylì'ut alor nume 'awsiteng ko!

'eylan na'viyä

thanks for the answer wich helped a lot and wich, in my opinion, is the best way
Irayo ngaru livu fìtì'eyngri a srung soli oer nìtxan ulte oeru lam sweya fya'o

roger

I got this from Paul as an apology for not getting back to me on the excessively long list of emails I've sent him:

Rä'ä fpivìl san oeyä sìpawmìri Pawl ke new oeru 'iveyng sìk.

I think that nicely illustrates the point; he even pulls a Bob Dole and refers to himself in the third person.

Kì'eyawn

Quote from: roger on March 19, 2010, 02:23:36 AM
I got this from Paul as an apology for not getting back to me on the excessively long list of emails I've sent him:

Rä'ä fpivìl san oeyä sìpawmìri Pawl ke new oeru 'iveyng sìk.

I think that nicely illustrates the point; he even pulls a Bob Dole and refers to himself in the third person.

Brilliant.  I <3 that man a little.
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